Y-DNA Redbone Progenitor’s

Back in 2006-2012 we did Y-DNA testing in an attempt to match one another. Some families, because of routine intermarriage and the long journey and tumultuous times in which our families lived and migrated that our families have become blurred in some regards, as to parentage.

Here is the findings of such, and perhaps you have had your done and can compare to these lines for matches or significant relationship, of course in some instances we have found no biological relationship, though we had a physical one in life.

Of course, these are not the end to all but a beginning of a process of telling the story of our biological familial ties to one another.

These test were taken through Sorenson Lab as a group effort.


Though it has been suggested and documented that a line of Goins who were actually Harmon’s (Illigitamat children of John Harmon & Elizabeth Goings, and that this couple were our ancestors, we have attempted to locate a matching Harmon line, though we have yet to find any relative relationship through DNA matching. Perhaps you have a Harmon Y-DNA sample you could help us make a connection with? Here also is what Mr Jack Goins has said on the matter in his Core Melungeon y-DNA study.

“Match Two: This individual is descended from the Lumbee Goins family. This particular line descends from one James Goins born in North Carolina in 1797 and found in Moore County as early as 1824. It is uncertain who James parents are but in the 1820 and 1830 census, both Edward and Levi are candidates. We know he is not the son of William Goins who obtained a land grant in Moore County in 1764 whose paternal ancestor is known to be John Harmon who had an illegitimate child with Elizabeth Goins, although both William Goins and later Levi obtained land on Pocket Creek[179] and lived within the Indian community. The haplogroup of the Harmon/Goins line is R1b1b2.

A second line of Goins also descends from the Cumberland County group. This particular line of Goins among the Lumbee, according to testimony in 1915, are descended from a sub-group of the Lumbee known as the “Smilings” who had come from South Carolina. Willie Goins testified that he brought his family from Sumter County, SC and that they “belong to the Indian race of people if any to my knowledge.” A group of ministers was sent to SC to investigate the racial heritage of the Goins family, and in SC it was explained that “we are sometimes called “Red-bones”, some call us “Croatans.” Rev. Locklear gave his opinion that “on the mother’s side plaintiffs are Indians and on the father’s they are malungeans.”[180] Testimony was also provided that this family had previously come from Cumberland County, NC. Another witness indicated that they were not Indian, but of Negro blood. However, Frederick Goan, the grandfather of William Goins, the father of the plaintiffs deposed in the trial is listed on the 1770 Bladen County[181] tax list along with many founding Lumbee families[182] and in 1810 in Rockingham County, NC[183] with proven Melungeon Goins families.

Moore County, North Carolina and the Pocket Creek area where the Goins were settled borders Cumberland County, NC, with the Goins family living in both. The area also borders Robeson County where the Lumbee are traditionally centered. Levi Goins had settled in Moore County, on Pocket Creek, before 1800 and in his Revolution War pension application he stated that he enlisted in Fairfield County, SC, removing to Moore County shortly after the close of the War. The Moore County family connects to Fairfield County, SC pre-1800, then a part of Camden District, where Gibsons are found in connection with the Goins family. A David Gowen died there with property in Moore County about 1775. A David Goins is the son of John Goins found in Hanover County in 1735 and a brother to Shadrack Goins.

These genetic matches and records combined suggest that the “Smilings”, or at least the Goins family within the Smiling group of the Lumbee, is descended from or shares an ancestor with the group of individuals in Louisa County, Virginia. The Louisa County Gibson group has SC matches from this area as well. While the SC tax lists and many of the SC records are contemporaneous with the Louisa County group records, this shows that the Louisa County ancestral group dispersed in multiple directions. In at least four of these locations, the South Carolina locations, Robeson Co., NC and Hawkins County, Tn. the Melungeon description is found as well.

The genetic matches between the Hawkins County Melungeon John Goins line, the Lumbee Goins, the Cumberland County, NC Smiling Goins, the Sumter County, SC Smiling Goins and the Spartanburg District, SC Shephard Case Goins prove these groups share a common ancestor, possibly John Goins found in Hanover County in 1735 and eliminates the Goins/Harmon Y-line.”
  Result Pedigree TMRCA Matches Locus DYS385 Locus DYS388 Locus DYS389I Locus DYS389II Locus DYS390 Locus DYS391 Locus DYS392 Locus DYS393 Locus DYS394/19 Locus DYS426 Locus DYS437 Locus DYS438 Locus DYS439 Locus DYS441 Locus DYS442 Locus DYS444 Locus DYS445 Locus DYS446 Locus DYS447 Locus DYS448 Locus DYS449 Locus DYS452 Locus DYS454 Locus DYS455 Locus DYS456 Locus DYS458 Locus DYS459 Locus DYS460 Locus DYS461 Locus DYS462 Locus DYS463 Locus DYS464 Locus GGAAT1B07 Locus YCAII Locus YGATAA10 Locus YGATAC4 Locus GATA H4.1  
  11 14 12 13 29 24 10 13 13 14 12 15 12 12 14 17 12 12 13 25 19 29 30 11 11 15 17 9 10 11 12 11 24 15 15 17 17 10 19 23 15 23 21
1 Pedigree for match 1 TMRCA for match 1 25/37
  GOINS[USA-North Carolina]: 3 gen, MURCHISON[USA-North Carolina], MURCHISON[Scotland]: 2 gen
2 Pedigree for match 2 TMRCA for match 2 11/37
  GOINS[USA-Kentucky]: 2 gen, CADDELL[~USA-Kentucky]
3 Pedigree for match 3 TMRCA for match 3 11/37
  GOINS[USA-Louisiana]: 3 gen, GOINS[USA-North Carolina]
4 Pedigree for match 4 TMRCA for match 4 11/37
  GOINS[USA-Texas]: 2 gen, GOINS[USA-Louisiana], GOINS (GOING)[USA-Mississippi]: 2 gen
5 Pedigree for match 5 TMRCA for match 5 6/24
  GOINS[USA-Louisiana]: 3 gen, GOINS[~USA-Louisiana], GOINS[USA-South Carolina]

1 7/33
GOYNES[USA-Texas], GOYNES[USA-Louisiana]: 2 gen, GOYNES[~USA-Louisiana]

2 8/37
GOINES[USA-Texas], GOINES[USA-Louisiana], GOINES[~USA-Louisiana]: 2 gen




59288                E-M2     13          21          16          10          14-17    11          13          11               14          11          31          17          9-9         11          11          25          14          21               36          13-13-15-17       11          10          19-21    14          12          18          15               37-37    12          11          10          8            16-18    8            10          10          8               10          11          12          20-20    16          11          12          13          12          7               12          26          23          17          12          12          12          9            11          11               12                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

34304   Thomas Nash, b 1764, NC, d bef 1860 in LA         E-P1      13          21          16               10          14-17    11          13          11          14          11          32                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

41245                E-M2     13          21          16          10          14-17    11          13          11               14          11          32


The Haplo returned for the Thomas and William Nash line, is E-M2 & E- Origins

The discovery of two SNPs (V38 and V100) by Trombetta et al. (2011) significantly redefined the E-V38 phylogenetic tree. This led the authors to suggest that E-V38 may have originated in East Africa. V38 joins the West African-affiliated E-M2 and the northern East African-affiliated E-M329 with an earlier common ancestor who, like E-P2, may have also originated in East Africa.[2] It is possible that soon after the evolution of E-V38, trans-Saharan migrants carried the E-V38 marker to Northern Africa and Central Africa and/or West Africa where the more common E-M2 marker later arose and became prolific within the last 20,000-30,000 years.[1][3]

The downstreams SNP E-M180 possibly originated on the moist south-central Saharan savannah/grassland of northern West Africa during the early Holocene period. Much of the population that carried E-M2 retreated to southern West Africa with the drying of the Sahara. These later people migrated from Southeastern Nigeria and Cameroon ~8.0 kya to Central Africa, East Africa, and Southern Africa causing or following the Bantu expansion.[4][5][6] According to Wood et al. (2005) and Rosa et al. (2007), such population movements from West Africa changed the pre-existing population Y chromosomal diversity in Western, Central, Southern and southern East Africa, replacing the previous haplogroups frequencies in these areas with the now dominant E1b1a1 lineages. Traces of earlier inhabitants, however, can be observed today in these regions via the presence of the Y DNA haplogroups A1a, A1b, A2, A3, and B-M60 that are common in certain populations, such as the Mbuti and Khoisan.[1][7][8]